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@FibS said in What albion did wrong- not a bash thread:

@Vortech said in What albion did wrong- not a bash thread:

I'm unsure what's asymmetrical about the gameplay to you..

You could try reading the post you responded to, since I expected to need to explain what I meant and promptly did so, and all.

I'm not interested in debating the nature of Albion Online, however. It's a fraud of a game and no amount of apologist mental gynmastics will change that.

I asked because your post just read more like a dogmatic abstracted rant of edgy gaming generalisms.. You've been contributing to the community here a long time, but this AO talk seems to have struck a chord. I was interested in you explaining a bit and participating in a proper discussion.. Though it seems your disappointment? has made you a bit salty. Unfortunate because I doubt anything good could come from the position you've taken now.

Everyone has an opinion, no worries.

@DevilsDog said in What albion did wrong- not a bash thread:

also, if you look at the steam chart the number of players are slowly decreasing, soon I guess big guilds and Zergs will be left with the ghost town lol.

This spike and decline happens with every content release.. It'll be no different here over time. I know the majority of players use the official launcher, but I never get over those hundreds that used Steam back in 2018. F2P really got things going, from hundreds to over 10k+ peaks.

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There's a lot to unpack here but I'd like to address the complaint regarding the lack to solo.. I've been in large guilds, small guilds, and run some.. I've been playing the game since pre-alpha on and off.

The game has never been more friendly to solos then it is in current form.. Further, since the game went free-to-play.. people are even using the group finder.. arenas are always jumping.. factions are always going.. and the royals are alive. SBI is releasing solo dungeons and gathering dungeons in the future.. I don't really see what more you could want from a full loot pvp open world game then the compromises they've made. Personally, I don't feel solo should be the focus in an MMO, but they've accommodated and will continue to do so as it seems.

Group and zvz content is why people play mmos. Open world pvp is the foundation of AO. The vocal minority here seem to want to log in to a living world.. only to play an the role of online hermit keeping to themselves. Lots of adventures to be had solo.. I do some of my best ganking solo.. lots to gather now.. lots of roaming mobs to kill.. It will only continue to get better for solos. Unfortunate so many have made up their mind, missing out.

The good news for Fractured is, the ground work has been laid.. Working systems implemented and fleshed out.. All they need to do is take the best aspects of AO and potentially improve on them where you feel SBI have come up short. The different worlds and their rule sets are an attempt to compromise.. The question is, how will it effect the number of players and does it potentially segregate and already niche games player base.

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@FibS said in What albion did wrong- not a bash thread:

In my experience with Albion, I found it to be a fake game. It's a clever trap that separates players into two groups, deriving from asymmetrical gameplay (which is normally stuff like "one player is the monster and everybody else is the survivors".)

The richest 10% of players, who are the most willing to pay to win, are the only players that really matter. The game is designed so that all "high-level" play requires PVP and is therefore subject to pay to win, thus drawing whales as the primary desired demographic.

The other 90% of players are not actually players. They're just like the foxes and the ores - sources of materials, elements to enrich the experience for the elite.

Many PC or console MMOs have ascribed to a similar elitist model, and it has not helped the long-standing criticism against the genre.

Even without the elitist system, we still have the problem that Albion is linearly designed - all "endgame" content is necessarily open world PVP. Fractured will not have this flaw.

I'm unsure what's asymmetrical about the gameplay to you.. I'm also unsure about your monster and survivor example. The only thing I can think of is gatherer (survivor?) vs pvp oriented players (monster?).. I could possibly see how a survivor in this scenario could perceive black zone pvp as asymmetrical.. but I'd rather you explain before I go off in the wrong direction. IMO if I was close, I think the dichotomy is perfect as it is now. Risk = reward.

I might be considered in the richest 10% of players.. and I didn't pay to win. People I know who have wealth earned it, ground it out.. None of them payed to win. I don't really see how that's possible with mastery system in place. Everything requires grinding.. from PVP, to gathering, to refining and crafting. Sure you could buy a piece of 8.3 but you could just as easily die with it.. Now that gold you converted to silver is gone, didn't win jack.. Sure you could buy 7.3 but you have no mastery.. Someone with 6.1 and more mastery would have more item power and do more damage then you. So please elaborate on how albion is pay to win.

The elitist point is a thing.. No lifers grinding out pvp fame and utilizing alt accounts to maximize learning points and crafting focus.. those make up some of the elitist groups in Albion IMO. But they earned that right, they didn't pay for it.

Have you played Albion recently? There are dynamic dungeons spawning all over, roaming mob camps, elite resource mobs dynamically spawning.. You've still got arena macthes and hellgates to choose from. Endgame is what you want it to be. Sure, it is a game focused on PVP.. but the theme park is vast and totally what you choose to make of it.

Albion isn't perfect, but it's better then it's been for a while. It is most definitely NOT a failure, lmao.

Those reviews don't even scratch the surface.. in detail or time played.

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great update, i never thought I'd be excited to farm

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