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@spoletta said in Refunds, negative reactions to Gamigo deal:

(...)no kind of metric or method to claim those "100-200k"(...)

Fractured has sold roughly 4-5k pledge packages so far, right? I'm basing that number both on the accounts that joined the recent tests (~4k) and on the funding page.
If mood was to be that all of these were to issue refunds after such an offer, the game would be doomed to begin with, since that would leave virtually no chance that others would buy the game. I trust Gamigo to have a business plan for Fractured and that means they have analyzed that more people are going to purchase packages, so I'm ruling out that possibility.
Assuming that roughly one in three or one in four people would take the offer and issue a refund seems a reasonable (worst case) prediction under these circumstances (Gamigo's own prediction on the games future success). That's where you get 100-200k (and a fixed maximum of 739119 €).

@spoletta said in Refunds, negative reactions to Gamigo deal:

(...)200k are not peanuts by any possible definition(...)

200k are a big deal for DS, but it's peanuts for Gamigo. DS can't afford this, but Gamigo... considering this was announced as one of the biggest deals by the MGI financial report, you're telling me that they can't spend 200k on the best possible marketing and PR when they just spent (supposedly) millions in acquiring the IP rights and have millions more available?
DS has/had a good reputation, the PR hit for Fractured is through Gamigo. Gamigo would have to improve it's reputation, not Fractured, so Gamigo would have to invest the money. That is, if they are serious.

Thanks for asking for details on the figures, I'd be happy to elaborate if there's questions.

Edit: Gah! @LonelyCookie is too fast for me. While I was still preparing my response, he had already answered. I'm going to leave my response though, since it contains a link to the funding page

@GamerSeuss said in Refunds, negative reactions to Gamigo deal:

(...)Make a reasonable ask. This isn't one.

It's a perfectly reasonable suggestion.

Gamigo has a reputation, regardless if that reputation is deserved or not, it exists and it's going to influence sales. This would be a rather cheap (there shouldn't be more than say 100-200k in refunds, that's 'peanuts') PR stunt and I know companies that'd kiss your behind if they could improve brand loyalty for such a bargain.

The content creators that have reported rather negatively on this deal would instead report slightly optimistic. Sales and profit would increase long term, that is, if and only if Gamigo has a long term investment planned.

If they are simply in for the quick cash grab, you're correct, this would be a completely unreasonable request.

Waiting for Steam Early Access to start in Q1 2022 and F2P early in 2023

1. Your news posting states that '(...)Dynamight retains ownership of the IP and creative control over Fractured Online(...)', but MGI's financial report claims '(...)Gamigo has acquired the worldwide IP rights for PC and console(...)'. Given that intentional misinformation towards shareholders in a financial report has serious legal consequences, which of these statements is correct and would you be willing to sign a legally binding contract with your customers (us) that assures us DS retains full and sole ownership of worldwide IP?

2. What are the constraints to financial support in the contract with Gamigo? Is there a time limit, is there a concrete investment, does it permit seeking outside funding? To be more concrete, what happens if Gamigo decides the game's to be released now and simply cuts the money for development. That would mean a considerable dent in 'creative control', right?

3. Would you be willing to include a paragraph into the ToS of purchasing a pledge package that grants the customer a full refund at any time, in case that the game goes free to play? Since you don't plan to change the monetization model, this should be a non issue and would help mitigate a lot of peoples worries.

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I'm not sure I understood your question, are you asking where the other players are living, or where the company is based, or where the publisher is based, or something else?

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@spoletta said in Statement on the Gamigo-rumors:

(...)It is a buy to play game(...)

Plenty of (Steam) games started buy to play and went free to play a short time later
Look at Albion Online (a 'direct competitor').

@spoletta said in Statement on the Gamigo-rumors:

(...)I would wait and see for a while how all this unravels(...)

That's certainly a good advice!
But statements by DS and purchases should be considered with the 'Gamigo has the final say' in mind.

@Gibbx said in Statement on the Gamigo-rumors:

(...) 30 seconds to jump on here and say "look guys the whole Gamigo thing is BS".

On the 15th we're going to know anyway now
Gamigo has started a timer of roughly 6 days yesterday when '(...) all is revealed(...)'.

Their communication has been fairly good, but is seriously lacking now @GamerSeuss. Six month ago, they suggested there would be a new high in youtube/blog posts and they'd reveal the name of their new partner. Two month later we're still waiting for the roadmap and the results of the survey. There's no news on the possible winter test.

As for Gamigo's reputation, it's not exactly a secret. A simple five minutes Google search reveals some of the concerns and I'd hope that every company would do a minimal amount of research before selling their IP.

@Kazzier said in Statement on the Gamigo-rumors:

(...)a post expressing the terms and involvement of Gamigo, namely with some reassurance Gamigo isn't planning on doing a quick money grab or overly-whale hunting tactics / P2W(...)

If there's such a deal, they couldn't tell/show you the details of that contract because of a very, very likely NDA. Without the details, we wouldn't be able to judge, it could be that they have the best intentions but the contract is phrased in a way that's going to trap them in the end. Just take the 'harmless' and 'standard' term that you're not allowed to seek investment and funding elsewhere and combine it with a 'lax deadline' of a 2022 release. If DS funding is used up by then and the game's not finished, what's going to happen?

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@Yitra said in Statement on the Gamigo-rumors:

(...)If Dynamight is ready and able to share, I like to see a message of them(...)

Which is why this thread was created, to raise their awareness of the situation and to get a response by the only people knowing what's really happening.

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@PeachMcD said in Statement on the Gamigo-rumors:

(...)Gamigo's 'reputation' or offer some sources(...)

Sorry, I think this is the wrong forum to discuss something like that. I'd suggest the Fractured Discord, there's plenty of people happy to share their personal stories with said company.

But no, nothing 'scandalous', more of a reputation to ruin games in a fast cash grab and close way with high pay to win rates.

Sorry to ping you @Prometheus, but there's rumors (and discussions on the discord) going around concerning an MMO teased by Gamigo. Given the 'reputation' of said company, it would be great if you could provide at least a quick 'No, we're not partnered with them' statement, if this isn't the company you teased and never announced. That'd put the rumors to end before there might be potential harm for Dynamight Studios.