Posts made by Jetah

@Gothix
why would i buy DG now? the tokens could give a small discount. you could gift them.

unless DG is selling less than it will in retail then people wont buy it.

@dj35

plenty of them. i've used the [suggestion] tags before.

@Kansei

the shield is fed with materials. how does the shield lose them when it switches owners?

@muker

how would balancing 1 weapon with 10-15 abilities be harder than 400 (actually 400^3 power but i doubt we can use 3 skill tiers on the bar) skills & abilities which can all be used in nearly any combination?

the knowledge is within the weapon. it isn't character bound but item bound. DS could have a way to reset it and toss it back into the game.

@Lythor

the point in the anime was that the heroes cant use any other item. The shield hero couldn't use any other shield nor weapon. I like that the weapon has unlocks (@Fibs WoW did a similar thing in Legion expansion) which could give you different abilities for different scenarios. IE you aren't getting more powerful but you have more ways to deal with encounters.

@FibS

the shield would the be only weapon that player had, as in my example. it would work just like any other melee ability. you slot it in and then you have access to it. You'd need to feed it materials, and it might need more than 1 to unlock, then you get something out of it. which is our whole knowledge system. i've just thought having that system within a unique weapon where the knowledge system was inside the weapon.

@Gothix

there was another anime that used bots where they built a dual wield shield class.. it was interesting.
the different options dont have to bring power to the player, just options.

o7

and now for more than eight characters..

I've been watching the anime for a while now and I'm loving the fact that the main character can't use a weapon or another shield. His shield is him. So I was thinking if this concept was brought over to Fractured.

The 'class' would only use Shields. Starting with a basic shield they'd have to obtain other shields so they could 'copy' them. This copy becomes a usable ability for the user and they can swap it to when they press the key for it. Materials that drop can create new shields, enhance existing ones or allow multiple shields to be combines (thus creating a new shield. this would be different than just creating a new shield).

Taunt could be a base line skill for the user. This 'class' has much higher defenses than other classes (as no weapon for offense).

This item is a legendary item that is found in the world. It was forged eons ago by the gods. (really any RP reason could be mentioned to justify it being found in the world.)

In the anime the Shield hero uses different shields to attack and defend. He used the remains from a snake that unlocked a snake shield which can bite an enemy and do poison damage. Another shield was from a Cerberus (or lesser version) that can bite an attacker (both the snake and dog are melee ranged). Using enemy remains (these could be specific to the legendary weapons) to unlock new 'knowledge' thus new shields. The limit of abilities still works for the Shield, however, they may get access to another skill tray (they're legendary weapons for a reason).

In the anime there are 4 heroes. Spear, Bow, Sword and Shield. (I'd like to see at least 1 of every weapon type have a version.) These would work the same way as the shield.

Now for PvP and losing the weapon.
YES, you can lose it if you're looted. All of the items unlocked stays with the weapon. This means the user with the legendary weapon becomes harder to kill the longer they have the weapon!

The user will not get any special materials from enemies unless the legendary item is equipped! (this stops people from banking the item and collecting those materials without fear of losing the item.)

If the user doesn't log on or uses (for whatever DS feels is appropriate) the weapon will be returned to the world (insert RP/Lore here that the weapons were created with some type of bloodlust that craft combat). This prevents the weapons from being horded and not used.

I'm not sure what measures have to be taken to prevent any type of lawsuit by the creator of the manga (the comic the anime is based off of).

edit:
Instead of the player having Knowledge, these unique items would have it also. the material is needed, in varying quantities, to unlock different aspects of the weapon.

So I had a good idea and was looking for this thread yesterday!

DS could sell cosmetic tokens for a price range. Meaning they could offer a bronze helm token which could be traded for a helm cosmetic between 1-5$. Then a Silver token that exchanges for 5-10$. a Gold that exchanges for 10-15$ and a Platinum that exchanges for 15-30$. [note cash amounts are made up].

This would allow DS to presell cosmetics but not worry about someone not liking a specific concept art that looked different, but could select a item from a price range. Sure some people will just exchange for the highest priced item.

The idea hit me when I thought about WoW dropping raid tier token instead of class and spec items (which use to drop). This allows the player to decide which spec to exchange the token for.

DS could sell:

Helm
Shoulder
Chest
Arm/Glove
Pants
Boots
Armor Set
Range Spell (changes a boring fireball into a burning skull as an example)
Melee Spell/ability (changes a Paralying punch into voodoo needles, similar to WoW Monk Paralysis image)
Weapon (could be specific or all inclusive. Meaing it could be Staff cosmetic or any weapon, whether you can equip it or not.)
Weapon FX (separate from weapon skins)
Mount (I want a spider mount!)
Pet (could be specific to combat or could be both combat and non-combat)
Housing items (which might be too broad. chairs, tables, paintings, Beaskin rug, light sources, etc)
Houses (this could be cheap 20$ designs to 500$ designs!)
Character Slot
(bank slots? Ideally, DS will copy Path of Exile and offer tabs for sale. They'd also offer tabs for specific items, such as crafting materials.)

They could offer player character/Race skin alternatives too! IE The Lich might be boring but they could sell a Steampunk Lich! I'd love an Undead option for Demons a la Overlord (anime).

I believe lower cost cosmetic items would bring in a good chunk of cash. Right now the pledge pack is a one and done thing. They could still sell unique items (the design of said item), unique mobs (the design), etc.

@Greenfox said in About Alpha Phase 2!!:

@Znirf Do we get info this week? Or has the two weeks before it thing be canceled? Wouldn't be too bad if A1T2 doesn't make it this month. I got more time next month ;3

https://forum.fracturedmmo.com/topic/8410/roadmap-to-alpha-1-test-2

@Greenfox said in Fractured Content Pills - Week 22, 2019:

@Logain Well otuside of the timesaveing on knowledge stuff. Which will be a bit faster then non VIP, but really don't matter. After a week, when everyone has the skills they really want. It's more for the inner completists in some crazy people like me ^^. In Divinity 2 ... i took 40 hours to do the tuturial island. Literally did any possible quest. Then killed all hostile npcs left. Then killed all non hostile npcs left. When i left that tuturial island, my toons where so overleveld and geared xD ... but every faction really hated me for some reason.

it'll be more than a week to get the knowledge you want. unless they're all on your starting planet and withing a few hours travel, which i doubt that'll happen.

@Fraxav said in Gifting pledge packs:

@Jetah said in Gifting pledge packs:

@Fraxav said in Gifting pledge packs:

Thanks guys, appreciate the answers and idea. I would have liked to get them a pledge pack as a gift/surprise, so ideally they would not have to know or be part of the transaction. Hopefully they will consider setting up this option before the packs go?

maybe @Prometheus can do this internally.

Is that really a thing? That would be awesome!

send them an email through the website. worst case they say no, best case they say yes.

@Tuoni

I guess my point is you're unhappy to support the project at the tier you did. I'm happy where I am and will upgrade because of this sale.

I do think it's pretty petty that you're worried about a little discount vs DS getting more cash for support.

but you're right. I'm stopping this one.

@Pluto said in Pledge Packs Are Going... With A Sale!:

@Jetah

I really said I was done, and I’m sorry for that. I think I am after this

However, I did need to point out that ships in SC never go on discounted sales.

Every single sale you talk about are on the digital game itself, not Kickstarter assets. Acting like they are the same is just silly hehe

from a reddit comment:

Each anniversary sale adds +1 year to ship insurance so that later backers get a better deal over early backers: this year should be 5 Years insurance. (SMH).

that's pretty significant and i'm sure you'd complain about that too.

another comment:

Warbond is a way ships can be sold a bit cheaper but can only be purchased with real money.

So they do offer them cheaper!

@Tuoni said in Pledge Packs Are Going... With A Sale!:

@Jetah said in Pledge Packs Are Going... With A Sale!:

@Tuoni
DS already has the early funds. that's how they were able to get started.

No-one has said anything else. You miss the whole point it seams.

I haven't seen a game startup that hasn't offered a sale.

Again ^^... Now you are forgetting few variates related for these discounts. Value of the early backers vs. current ones and the development phase of the game. Those who funds a game early on should always get more stuff when compared to amount you invest. If companies will break this logic and pattern, it might lead soon to situation where people do not fund crowdfunding campaigns like Kickstarter anymore, because why should they, if they get same benefits later with discount prices.

Those who funds a game early on should always get more stuff when compared to amount you invest

but that isn't always the way it'll be. those that picked up the early bird spent less than those that didnt for the same package. are you saying the early bird packs should have contained less because they were cheaper?

Kickstarter even says to be careful with backing. i have a cooler that hasn't shipped and at this point i dont expect to get it, despite over 30k others who backed that did get theirs and the company is selling them at stores but i'm still waiting for mine. And I just checked the comments of the project and someone mentioned that the company will just send the funds out from the class action lawsuit which will get me $20 instead of the 200 cooler.

Now if DS took the cash and ran then I'd on your side. but it's a discount and a small one at that. people have been doing sales and discounts for a long time and nothing, i know of, is exempt from it.

@Fraxav said in Gifting pledge packs:

Thanks guys, appreciate the answers and idea. I would have liked to get them a pledge pack as a gift/surprise, so ideally they would not have to know or be part of the transaction. Hopefully they will consider setting up this option before the packs go?

maybe @Prometheus can do this internally.

@Gothix

that depends on the company. Blizzard has banned so many over the decade they've WoW and other services.

I was in one game where the GM (and the developers) were saying to just mute/block someone instead of action taking against them.

@Xzoviac

from the post on the backer pack sale it seems like it'll be two weeks, as my guess.

@Tuoni

DS already has the early funds. that's how they were able to get started. I haven't seen a game startup that hasn't offered a sale. Even the titan that is Star Citizen has their annual sale during their anniversary!! Blizzard, EA, Activision, Camelot Unchained, Path of Exile.. they all have discounts on digital items! I didnt buy The Division 2 until it was on sale (last weekend). I didnt buy Destiny 2 until it was on sale! And this coming from someone who's spent thousands in in game shops and Kickstarter's.

world conquest... and killing..

i suspect we'll see smaller packs, say immortal price and lower. but i really think we need to see some cosmetic [concept art] items up.

i know people will buy whole outfits or will mix and match. others may want weapon skins while others want different styled houses. then there's a whole mess of housing cosmetics that could be offered (exclusive or not).

what I'd like to see are item drop cosmetic alternative art. IE raid boss drops 5 heads (yea i know but hear me out) and there's an alternative art for it. meaning you'll only use it if you get that item. (DAoC had realm dragons that could be killed and they'd drop 5 heads but it took 200+ to kill so getting a head was a big thing!) There could be alternative skins for tamed animals, the more expensive versions could have unique animations, gfx, sound fx, etc.

honestly Star Citizen is killing it by offering ships of multitude sizes and prices. whether it releases or not isn't the issue. Path of Exile is killing it with their supporter packs which are limited duration to about 3 months (the length of an expansion), while offering plenty of cosmetics for skills, pets, housing, weapons, armor.

I'd be ok seeing helm cosmetic item, which can be traded for one of group they eventually release. same can be done for skills, armor, etc. (think of it like the WoW tier tokens that allow you to select which spec item to get.)

@Tuoni
the information gained is worth more though. there's a huge difference between someone who's tested in alpha - release vs someone who played at release (or during a sale). I play Overwatch, levels dont mean power, but they do mean game experience. I've seen people below level 100 make horrible mistakes because they didnt have the knowledge that a player at level 300+ would have.

I just see the pettiness is saying "they offered a small discount so i'm pissed" view when everything has a sale! The point of KS offering an early bird has a good point too.

I'm more worried about exclusives than price. I want more people in the game but if DS said something would be exclusive then it needs to be exclusive.

@Gothix

everyone is greedy going by that statement. you work, get paid; then you're greedy. do you see how stupid that sounds?