Posts made by Jetah

@specter

i'm saying more like i want a human with slightly negative karma.

@vezin said in Hats:

@Jetah Money is never a problem my friend

i'll sell you a $5k hat!

i've met people who are scared to pvp in games. they hate and don't do it.

@deathrhino

i'd guess a new one for kickstarter.

@nelchael

ter·ri·fy
ˈterəˌfī/Submit
cause to feel extreme fear.

@fibs

i can see it as a reproduction of real life. i'll never catch up to my fathers experience and knowledge while he's living.

@Kralith
small advantages are advantages. this is a full loot open world pvp game. knowledge and learning slots all need to be equal.

@benseine

terrified people won't go.

@gothix

are you able to pay for an advantage? yes, as you can pay to have a boost to the knowledge point gain and learning slot increase. those that get rank 1 faster will be able to rank them faster thus giving them an advantage.

if the knowledge point and learning slots were removed i wouldn't be as pressed against it. I'd much prefer that the cash shop and cosmetics just look really good and DS creates some supporter packs instead of a sub. put some cosmetics behind certain events, like killing 15 named mini-bosses or such.

it could be possible that humans can select which alignment they want before starting the game. they might not be completely good or bad but could be really close or just into that alignment.

i can see post-release in an expansion a neutral race that can select where they want to start but for now DS wants to keep it simple.

@fibs

there is a such thing as 'you'll never catch up' mechanic. developer can put such a time wall up that it's impossible to ever catch up. Eve Online has that as an example. no matter how much you play you'll never obtain equal skill points as a 12 year vet (this is pre-injectors). I had a 10 year old character and not a single new player could catch up and I could never catch up with those that started 2 years before me.

@phaethonas said in VIP system : What do you think ?:

@jetah said in VIP system : What do you think ?:

@phaethonas
we know subs use to work. now it's a tacked on "optional" item that usually doesn't offer much unless it's a paywall, see swtor. subs were abandoned because people wouldn't pay the monthly fee (i'd venture a guess those that paid the sub became adults with jobs and family, whose children start to play game). publishers found out they could have a higher revenue with a cash shop, see LoL. if subs worked then every game would be sub only.

Subscription games work. Period. If devs that want/ed to milk their players have abandonded the model, this has nothing to do with the fact that is a working model. Unlike the f2p model. There were a ton of good subscription games, there is only one f2p game that may be considered good; PoE.

Your explanation that people don't like sub games anymore is also false. Not only the most successful MMO (WoW) is sub2play, not only sub2play is making a come back (Camelot Unchained, Dual Universe, Ashes of Creation), which means that the people want that payment model, but more importantly the change took place not because the players wanted "free" games, but rather because f2p monetized games generate more revenue.

are those games out yet? can i download camelot unchained, dual universe or ashes right now and pay a sub to play them? or are these games still in development?
i remember swtor, wildstar, eso and others that started as a mandatory sub, yet look where they are. so clearly it isn't working. we look to the past to predict the future. now of those 3 you mentioned, I can see CU being the one that survives and IF it does then it'll the second MMO in 5 years that has debuted as a sub and maintained it.

Yes, if you measure the "success" of a game by how much money it is making, then f2p is the best model. As a rule though, the f2p model creates circumstances that will make a game awful. E.g. most likely it will be pay2win.

Alternative business models (to pure sub2play and buy2play) have been tried and have failed miserably at creating a good game. The dev company and the publisher may be making a ton of money, but their game isn't good. SWTOR and BDO are two such examples.

Literally, the only exception is PoE and that (PoE being "good") is debatable for a number of reasons. I am not talking about pay2win here. PoE is not pay2win. But a good game? That is debatable.

GW2, the only other exception of a successful cosmetic cash shop, is buy2play and it was sub2play.

So, pure sub2play and pure buy2play are the only payment models that have really worked. Everything else has failed miserably.

creating a p2w model is up to the developers or publishers. we can look at EA and SWBFII for the bad model. we can also look at PoE as a good model that isn't p2w. so we have both extreme sides.

@Target i've been mentioning PoE and forgot about Warframe.

my biggest grip is that this game is a full loot game. if it were WoW or another game where being killed doesn't mean being looted then i wouldn't care. it's better to make gameplay equal to everyone than grant even a minute amount of an advantage to some people that pay.

people will see these advantages, will see it's a full loot game and will call it p2w regardless how the developers PR their response.

@benseine
depends how terrified of pvp you are and whether or not you want to learn all 400 abilities.

@megatron
a demon can become an angel and an beastkin can become an abomination (opposite of angel).
you decide if you are good, neutral or bad.

@dulu
that looks like most cell phone requirements now outside of the OS.

@finland
you can't make 450k gold with a level 20 character. you need to have had lots of gold to play the ah or run raids to get new items.

@prometheus
the problem is marginal. that margin adds up with you have guilds and alliances going against other guilds and alliances. as a primary pvp player i already feel obligated to get VIP for the knowledge point and learning slot advantage. that isn't convenience as you say. Any advantage, no matter how marginal is still an advantage.

alternatives to vip:
player portraits
portable campfire gfx
spell gfx (different styles of a fireball)
spell shading gfx (offering green, blue, black, purple)
assuming there's a recall ability to a bind spot, gfx.
events that offer limited duration access.
paid transfer of knowledge from one race to another. (assuming knowledge is per character)
i can think of more if need be.

@phaethonas
we know subs use to work. now it's a tacked on "optional" item that usually doesn't offer much unless it's a paywall, see swtor. subs were abandoned because people wouldn't pay the monthly fee (i'd venture a guess those that paid the sub became adults with jobs and family, whose children start to play game). publishers found out they could have a higher revenue with a cash shop, see LoL. if subs worked then every game would be sub only.

@Finland
wow isn't a hybrid. they offer a trial where any character can level to 20, or you pay to access the remaining parts of the game. it's still a required subscription. Eve also fits this.

@Vengu @Prometheus
to me the knowledge system should always be equal for everyone, same with the learning slots, the sub shouldn't affect the characters. what happens when the average population has all 400 skills? will they drop their sub because the knowledge point gain and learning was 90% of the perk? let's say it takes 2 years for the average player to get all 400 skills, what happens to the sub? the cash shop discount and cumulative bonuses had better be very good at that point. what if it take 6 months to gain all 400 skills? to me it's pretty short sighted to give a boost to knowledge and learning slots.

@kellewic
you know that the 6h player will have sub because it's beneficial for them. if i played 2h a day i wouldn't have a sub because it's 60h a month for that boost of 10$. that 6h daily has 180h of boost per month which is a better deal for 10$.

@Luccheno
by the time that happens the kickstarter will be over and obligations will have to be made. if majority of the population see's value in the immortal tier because of the lifetime VIP then major changes would have to happen to keep that value or DS issues refunds which won't help them financially.

I've been enjoying Overwatch this past year because it's b2p without a sub. i feel i can play other games and enjoy my time because there isn't an obligation to 'get my money's worth because of the sub'.

@daz

if you didn't drink it all then it's your fault.

@vezin

DS could setup some print on demand but it'd be expensive.