the sub model was viable 15 years ago. now it isn't. if a sub game survived then it'll continue but WoW is now setup as a hybrid with a way to play the game to get a sub which helps their number. imagine if that didn't exist.
I say sub model isn't viable now because 1 game in the past 5 years has debuted and maintained it. there were at least 10 that failed.
@Logain EB isn't much of a difference unless you're aiming at the Knight tier.
recruit 5
founder 10
patron 10
knight 50
@mazikar said in Secret ways in dungeons:
I would hope that they do put in secret stuff, one time finds, and they are done.
oh that would be interesting.
assuming 80% of the limited you should reach that easily.
recruit - 40k
founder - 75k
patron - 90k
knight - 100k
governor - 100k
aristocrat - 50k
creator - 25k
that's 480k
@fibs said in Secret ways in dungeons:
@jetah said in Secret ways in dungeons:
not really. at some point you'd have to think "OMG it's a secret entrance, now i have to find out how to get in". Magic is normal in this game, so people would use it to hide things, locations, etc.
But it doesn't look like a secret entrance. It just looks like a character clumsily noclipping through a wall that doesn't render as a secret entrance on your screen, which also spoils that there is a secret entrance there rather than letting you find that out on your own through NPC dialogue et al.
then you figure it out first.
watch movies that have similar mechanics. there's always the person that walks through then others that are in unbelief. yes it looks like they're clipping through walls. Even the TV show Stargate had a group that could walk through walls.
i made a spreadsheet and ignoring the unlimited tiers you have a request for ₡585k from limited quantity tiers assuming all are sold out. is that amount required to finish (or MVP) or is that higher than what you need?
Do you have any plans on stretch rewards?
@logain said in VIP system : What do you think ?:
@kralith said in VIP system : What do you think ?:
(...)And all this things will get discussed, when Prometheus has the time to clear up, as he mentioned, they are busy with preparing the kickstarter, they have dates to fullfill(...)
Most certainly, which is part of the reason I decided to make a short post with some quick points instead of a long post. That said, as you mentioned, the Kickstarter is coming rather close (5 workdays left) and the VIP service is going to be a main deciding factor in how much I'm going to pledge (since I am aiming at an early bird tier, I have to act on the first hours of the Kickstarter, because if early bird tiers are available to the end of the Kickstarter, it likely enough failed). Hence I provided a few points I hope Prometheus is going to include in his response, else time is going to be too short to ask for clarification before I have to decide.
good thing kickstarter allows us to upgrade tiers and remove backing.
@gothix said in Night/Day events:
Perhaps at night there should be less guards in cities, allowing for more "questionable" activities to take place uninterrupted.
don't let the guards scare you!
i'm not saying it isn't wanted, but i'm saying many sub only games have had to stop it or close down. they opted for the free or hybrid option instead. that tells me even though people were willing to pay they didn't actually do it for a prolonged period.
i don't consider a cosmetic cash shop milking customers. it is optional. unless content is placed behind a paywall (i guess expansions could meet this requirement) then it's up to each customer to buy/spend what's comfortable by them.
I only asked about the past 5 years because that's enough time for the population to dwindle and the developers switch to an alternative. i could say 10 years and still make my point. while true that a games content should hold the players the developers have to know that a sub only game wont hold them long and they need to step up the content delivery. that could be why many are switching. WoW, FFXIV and Eve are the ones with enough content that it can hold a player long enough or has enough of a following that they can maintain content with a loss in subs.
The majority of MMO players prefer the sub2play model, as proven by posts, polls, questionnaires, comments at MMO sites/venues.
they may want it but they clearly will leave it just as quickly as the polls, post, questionnaires and comments fade away.
There is no doubt that the sub2play model can create a stable income for the game, if the game is good.
I wanted to touch on this one. SWTOR proved the game being good wasn't enough. I believe the majority of those answering those questionnaires, polls, etc want to be engrossed in a game like they were at childhood or in the teen years but they've matured past that, have seen enough bs and pr stunts that they know better and know when they're being lied to by pr or devs. I'll agree that f2p (or even b2p) with cash shop is the best revenue for new games.
anyway back to the vip thing. i think they should remove the knowledge point and learning slots. that's my 1copper worth.
while you can't 'win' an mmo, fractured will have conquerable cities, killing and looting of players. any advantage being paid for is still an advantage. DS can give cosmetics all day month long but they shouldn't give one that affects combat.
i'll give 2 examples even though they're both for mandatory sub games.
wow you can farm gold then use that gold to buy your subscription via the WoW Token. however this token can also be used as a blizzard balance to buy non-physical goods from blizzard games.
eve online allows you to buy plex then trade that plex for isk (gold) or goods/services.
Terra grants an allotment of items from their subscription. xp boost, gold boost, etc.
not really. at some point you'd have to think "OMG it's a secret entrance, now i have to find out how to get in". Magic is normal in this game, so people would use it to hide things, locations, etc.
what's the fundamental difference?
I'm speaking as there are 2 VIP in the cash shop. 1 VIP for subscription which cost 10$ per month, it's automatically applied to the account OR another VIP (usually called something else) that is purchased for 15$ but can be traded (or looted >.>). Wildstar, WoW, Eve, Crowfall all have similar versions of this.
i'm talking about trading goods in game for VIP that someone else bought.
IE I have 2 VIP, you have 2 full armor sets. we trade. I get gear, you get 2 months VIP.
@fibs said in Secret ways in dungeons:
This might not be possible to implement given the sharply non-instanced nature of the game - it would ruin the presentation a lot if either a secret path opened that another group couldn't enter, or even worse it didn't open on their screen and the other player phases through a solid wall.
(I've seen both happen in MMOs with applicable content such as conditional NPC spawns and dynamic terrain and it really ruins any kind of "immersion".)
i'd answer that with 'it's magic'. one perspective it's a solid wall and even feels like it. while another perspective is it's a door/translucent and can be walked through. until the first perspective figures out the gimmick, it'll always be a 'physical wall' for them.
they said that cosmetics from the cash shop were bound to the purchaser. Whether or not we can gift them (which i'm sure people will ask for) hasn't been answered.
it can be said that being able to buy optional subscriptions can become p2w too. not necessarily from the developer perspective but by a whale using their cash to buy VIP then trading that for goods in game. which is one reason I don't like the VIP idea.
@Prometheus
I don't believe you should discount the Immortal tier any. I know many want it but the value is too good as is.
and INT might not have anything to do with the Learning Slots.
I will call the VIP a Pay to Advantage. I'd much prefer if the fighting mechanics, including knowledge and learning slots, were equal for everyone.
I just hope that DS learned to explain things better before dumping information on us. While I don't need a full spotlight on Learning slots or Knowledge points a paragraph or 2 explaining them would have been nice to have. If they wanted to post a spotlight on those specifically, after the little explanation, then it would have been fine.
you want a combat log that saves to a txt file?
Depends on what addons you are implying.
I like to customize my UI so those are always welcome.
Mods that auto move items to a bank at welcome too.