@esher said in Feature Spotlight #6 - PvP, Alignment & Crime:
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@tracture I doubt and at the same time I hope not! But I may get you and Devs could add the option to maintain your original skin. This way you can choose if became an angel or stay a demon or if became an abomination or stay a bestman.
@trazil You are welcome mate ;). We are a community so we are here to help each other 
@phaethonas said in Feature Spotlight #6 - PvP, Alignment & Crime:
You still are arguing at changing Fractured while you keep claiming that you don't! Is it so hard for you to understand that Fractured's devs want to make a niche game?!
devs want
The whole key concept of three different planets, with three different races, with three different "rulesets", with three different economies is niche!
I have been telling you for quite some time, and I don't mean that as an insult, I mean that as a friendly suggestion; You are following the wrong game.
Fractured is not the game you like, this is why you want it to be something entirely different. Fractured won't be like GW2, ESO, WoW and other games you have said that are "successful" and whose path you want Fractured to follow. Fractured's devs are thinking out of this box and this was clear from day 1.
So you want to help? Do so within the lines of the game the devs want to make.
And I told you so many times that with; a) a ton of debuffs on me, b) the "wildlife"/NPCs hunting me and c) the 30 minute restriction, it is impossible for me to go from point A (spawn point) to point B (where I will gather mats), especially since.....I don't know where point B is! Assuming that after 7 times that I tried to go to Arboreus, I finally found where point B is, I will still have to a) go from point A to point B (which may take 10 minutes of "walking"), b) all the while fight the "wildlife"/NPCs that will be attacking me, c) have a ton of debuffs on me and then finally, actually harvesting, and all that in under 30 minutes!
can already see ways for my demon horde to bring death and destruction at Arboreus. Sure it will require some real planning and team work, but that challenge is very much welcome
For example;
I have some members of my guild to achieve neutral alignment (neutral demons have been confirmed). Then I send those ahead of the rest of us. They go and put themselves into key positions of the planet and then....
Evil aligned demons enter Arboreus and start killing and destroying. Sure after 30 minutes those will be kicked out but then.....
the second wave of evil demons will enter and then the third and the fourth and the fifth, all the while group 1 of the neutral demons will turn "aggresive", then group 2, then group 3.
Let's assume that I was in the first wave. Depending how easy and "fast" it is to go to Arboreus and whether I will have a debuff or not, I may return.
Depending the size of my guild or even the alliance of guilds that I am at, demons may have Arboreus at constant siege.
Yes, it requires planning and co-ordination, yes, I won't be there but for a measly 30 minutes, but my presence will be felt for days.
To put it simply; I am willing to bet that the aforementioned strong deterrents will create large and strong demon alliances with sole purpose of bypassing these deterrents. We PvPers will enjoy to play the cat and mouse game with the devs, finding legal ways to make our presence felt.
And now enter evil humans. I will contact large evil human alliances/guild and we will schedule attacks at Arboreus. 01:00 - 04:00 AM I will be sending 8 waves of demons. 04:00 - 08:00 AM the humans will be invading. And thus it is clear that Arboreus is far from safe.
Even if we will have a debuff for 30 days that will not allow us to travel to Arboreus, all "evil" players will band together once per month in order to bring chaos to Arboreus for hours, maybe even days, depending how many "evil" demons and humans are in this "unholy alliance". And be absolutely certain, this "unholy alliance" has just been made, regardless if I play the game or not.
If indeed your goal is to make Arboreus safe, you have only one way to go. Don't allow travel to it for evil and even neutral aligned characters. That of course should be accompanied with Arboreus not having unique resources, in order not to imbalance the economy.
All things considered though (that you want each planet to have unique resources, that you want Arboreus rather safe etc) I'd suggest lowering the deterrents towards the individual player. The more you are trying to stop the individual player to go, explore, Krash Kill N' Destroy, the more these individuals will want to do so and they will try to circumvent your deterrent systems by banding together.
You know what will stop demons from entering Arboreus and wreaking havoc? In-fighting. As long as you won't give the players who want to play in a FFA environment a reason to band together, they won't, and as such they won't be able to do much harm, cause most of the action will be at Tartaros. If you incentivise us to band together, then you will have the opposite effect.
You look so confident when we do not actually have the game to test yet.
Have you ever played an MMORPG before? Cause if you describe the above to someone who has, he/she will tell you that this is impossible to be done.
Behind the "You can just travel to gather tho" has a context which you are not taking into consideration.
Said this I'm really happy about what I red on the spotlight. I'm just curious to see how those things will work effectively. Until we can test the game I limit myself to hypothesizing the mechanisms because nobody can really judge something that we do not know how it really works. I love to talk about my point of view, give suggestions and feedback. Someone may like those and others not but never tell me to go away just because of my ideas, netiher to not say things that does not suit your point of view.
I hope that none of what I have said may have insulted you in some way. If so, I apologize.
PS: Someone may have enjoyed reading this debate by eating popcorn and others may got bored/annoyed, maybe pissed off to hear us discuss. So I apologize to all of you (Fractured Fellows) for this 
@trazil It's a full loot game. but Arobores has pvp restrinctions (some safe areas) check all news you will see lot's of good info
PS: all planets are Full loot just ruled differently for pvp actions.
@lohen random number generator. So it's related on how you develop it. It could be a % of success/insuccess to craft something or a % to craft a rare piece or a % to craft a thing with better stats than normal. Things like that are defined RNG
@prometheus said in Feature Spotlight #6 - PvP, Alignment & Crime:
mind stopping arguing with each other in half the discussions on the forums?
Bit hard cause if I get summoned I love to answer.
@benseine said in Becomming an Angel or Abommination:
Well if things for an Angel to live on Aboreus are a bit complex, could an Angel atleast live permanently on the human world?
Well Syndesia for sure considering that Angels will be treated like Beastmen on Tartaros. About Arboreus or will be permanently or 20/40 hours like for Humans
@jetah EvE is not so niche. That game have enough players as far as I know and almost all are the worst players around (griefers).. btw considering that game a PvE one is a big fail ;). It's just PvP. PvE is when you have to not fight players ;).
I would prefer to have none from EVE in this game (well the games I play).
@jetah You are welcome! we may have different points of view on the gameplay but both of us like to help and explain things around the forum to help out the community 
@phaethonas said in Feature Spotlight #6 - PvP, Alignment & Crime:
You have said so yourself!
That was before read the last spotlight. And when I said I want to change was something more like I want let them avoid to fail. I'm giving good feedback to make a longevity game with a good population. Niche games with your wishes are a good way to kill a game. The is not out we have years to test it and give feedback. I think that we can try to have bot kind of payers playign togeter with the right restrinctions.
OFC my best wishes would be 2 servers 1 pve (with pvp flag system) and 1 pvp. But i'm not gonna force to change to it so get it. They said that the game would have been for both I'm just defending one side. you cna go for killing spree on Tartaros and go gathering on Arboreus end of the story.
remove the restrictions at Arboreus, or rather loosen them. Yes, this will drive the care bears away, but as I have said before, not all pvers are care bears.
a good way to kill the game.
The need for traveling between the three planets, aka remove the unique economic element of each planet.
I have never said to remove that needs. You can just travel to gather tho. You are missing the fact that the main purpose is that an not going to arboreus just to kill beasts. Like the purpose to play on Syndesia is the siege. Tartaros is the killing spree.
