@gothix said in PK punishment:
Also should not gather 6 hour straight because of danger of loosing it all, but occasionally travel back to city to put what you gathered thus far to storage.
If you need 30-40 mins to travel back to to closest city is not worth by me.
@gothix we had many guild gather session but to me was not so funny. I mostly prefer kill stuff mobs or player over than gather XD
@gothix said in PK punishment:
I guess it will be smart to stockpile on resources, so when you do lose the gear you do not have to go gather naked (or pray that they are available on AH and at fair price), but rather just go to your storage and craft new.
Also would be nice to be able to destroy existing gear back to core resources (with some loss of course).
In Albion I was doing so but I would avoid to log few days just to gather resources. I usually get bored after 30 mins so gather for 6 hours every day for few days it's annoying to me. Especially if you lose 6 hours of grind cause of a gank.
@gothix I would like to fight naked (that it's clear I'm not an exhibitionist).
@cognitive great 
let's be friend then 
@esoba what's hunga mungas?
@cognitive I totally disagree Albion Online it's infinite grindy. Takes too much time to gather requires too much resources. I totally hated the progression system of that game XD.
@gothix well well se how much time we'll need to craft top tiers if there will be any kind of tiers. 10mins of gathering could be a good compromise.
@cognitive hehehe welcome to the club as far I seen we are mostly +25 
@gothix said in PK punishment:
I guess it depends how easy it is to get gear back.
I agree that farming gear for 6 months, then loosing it all after one death would be retarded, lol.
BUT, if you can make new gear simply by getting few resources, and easily crafting it in no time, than full loot is not an issue.
That would be fair but my last experience was a game with full loot and the leveling progress system was on gear XD. A game where tiers made the difference and extremly grindy to level up and craft that's why everey one was rage quitting. I relly enjoy pvp otherwise I would not play mobas/fps so let's cross our finger for a somekind of balance.
@darian they said that on the hope page, we need to wait abit till see it prolly.
@gothix I hope not tho. Gear should be obtenible in few mins like for moba otherwise player will not play this game. Me neither, I dropped Albion cause I had to spend more time on collecting gears than the time spent on fighting. Mobs does not drop gear btw ;). I hope that will be just a skill base game like a moba ehere you sort out you skills to make a build that suits better for you and you join the fights with a gear that looks more cool for you. Gear gap in a full loot is what makes people rage quit. Rage quit is badvfor personal health. People should play to have fun and not to get angry ;).
@gothix lol no! I talk about community in game. I mean effective number of players. You will never see more player in a full loot game than a pve one. For example I really enjoy battlegrounds aka capture the points/flag/escort/arena. But I disΔΊke to go kill gatheres just to steal things.
@cognitive said in PK punishment:
Agree
Most of players quit games becouse griefing and unfair ganking.
Avoiding this kind of toxic pvp will give balance to the game.
I prefer moba/fps/rts for that reason cause you can not steal things. Dunno why in the last 4 years everyone develop sandbox fullloot. Griefers are really bad especially for those who tries out to build a solid guild. I have lost like 500 players in 3 months of Albion due the rage quit.
@cognitive gear will not have the same impact as the common games. It's skill based and you have to discover skills. The progress system is discover the 400 skills to make your own build.
@gothix I talked about that already check the pvp vs pve thread! I'm not only a pver and to be honest I'm not doing pve by over 4 years when I dropped wow. I mostly play fps and moba but in a mmo i don't like to lose things spend time on getting things that could be lost in few mins it's a good way to waste time for me. About the pve communtiy is way larger in every mmo just take a look on numbers. The games without full loot got more players. FFO, WOW, GW2, ESO
@cognitive no levels in this game 
and yes pkers/loters/killers will be "punished" with restrinction and debuffed on Arboreus.
@gothix gear will not influence the combat like you hope. I'm curious to test it. I really hope to see something like a pvp moba experience. If gear would provide stats with many tiers people will rage quit easly. Full loot is mostly a problem in a grindy game (Albion for example had this problem) if you make it superfluous players will care less to lose gear and will join more pvp actions. If moba would have full loot none would play them.
@elvawien welcome aboard new friend :hugging:
